tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post5217557178790735329..comments2024-03-28T08:37:58.136+01:00Comments on Limited, Inc.: bergmanRoger Gathmannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11257400843748041639noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-51498383112498696432007-08-03T23:23:00.000+02:002007-08-03T23:23:00.000+02:00LI, too bad you can't find the Bergman bit! Maybe ...LI, too bad you can't find the Bergman bit! Maybe I could use a bit of the Kerouac juice to write about your question regarding Antonioni's drift, pull!Hmmm. I'm drawing a blank, but a poet might just have said it:<BR/><BR/>Dark things are drawn to brighter,<BR/>bodies thin away in a flowing<BR/>of colours, colours in musics.<BR/>So disappearance is the greatest adventure.<BR/>Montale, Portami il girasole…Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-90702745063624809502007-08-03T19:57:00.000+02:002007-08-03T19:57:00.000+02:00Amie, wow, I can't find that post. A phantom post,...Amie, wow, I can't find that post. A phantom post, I guess, a flying dutchman of a post plying the dim seas of my memory (hey, I'm writing a review of the LofA publication of Kerouac's early novels, so this is how I am going to write for a while, until the juice turns off!). Perhaps I'm thinking of a part of a novel I once wrote. In fact, I'm pretty sure that is it.Roger Gathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11257400843748041639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-16033369645130906982007-08-02T19:22:00.000+02:002007-08-02T19:22:00.000+02:00LI, where is your earlier post on Bergman?Here's a...LI, where is your earlier post on Bergman?<BR/>Here's a hommage from Cahiers<BR/>http://www.cahiersducinema.com/site.php3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-17860164273284370032007-08-01T23:46:00.000+02:002007-08-01T23:46:00.000+02:00Amie, I'd love it if you could comment a little mo...Amie, I'd love it if you could comment a little more about Antonioni. I don't have that contact with his work, although of course I still remember the first time I saw L'avventura. What I don't understand in Antonioni is the drift. I don't understand what his structures are tending towards. I feel like they are being pulled, but ... I'm not sure what they are being pulled by.Roger Gathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11257400843748041639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-78876890128462307512007-08-01T21:44:00.000+02:002007-08-01T21:44:00.000+02:00LI, they all die allright. Antonioni passed away t...LI, they all die allright. Antonioni passed away the same day.<BR/><BR/>Eros: You ask for too much Thanatos.<BR/>(C.Pavese)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-79619396404563870152007-08-01T15:10:00.000+02:002007-08-01T15:10:00.000+02:00Tillman hearing @ House Oversight Committee today ...<A HREF="http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=07&year=2007&base_name=post_4240" REL="nofollow">Tillman hearing @ House Oversight Committee today</A> (01-August)<BR/><BR/>AQ 141 = FRAGGING = PATRICK.<BR/><BR/>AQ 548 = BULLET HOLES WERE TIGHT AND NEAT = THEY BLEW UP THEIR POSTER BOY.<BR/><BR/>AQ 1600 = <A HREF="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/13/politics/main3057506.shtml" REL="nofollow">THE DOCUMENT PRODUCTION FROM THE WHITE HOUSE SHEDS VIRTUALLY NO LIGHT ON THESE MATTERS</A>.northangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02124226438327229521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-83675052026331279352007-08-01T03:47:00.000+02:002007-08-01T03:47:00.000+02:00North, I'll add my own little pome to match the mo...North, I'll add my own little pome to match the mood of the wolf:<BR/><BR/>The barnyard world is full of woe<BR/>its meat they crave, and dog is fierce<BR/>to bark the line you cannot go<BR/>beyond, let hunger pierce <BR/><BR/>you as it will, or thirst.<BR/>Skin, ribs, yellow fat and bone<BR/>fucked and fed until you burst<BR/>on the destined hook you’ll spin alone<BR/><BR/>shifted as the breeze blows.<BR/>So don’t get in there. Although – wait!<BR/>you’ve taken their feed. So it goes<BR/>for every beast there is a bait.<BR/><BR/><BR/>- R. Gathman, esquireRoger Gathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11257400843748041639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-35256480338292078442007-07-31T23:17:00.000+02:002007-07-31T23:17:00.000+02:00from, The Animals Sick of the PlagueA wolf pronoun...from, <EM>The Animals Sick of the Plague</EM><BR/><BR/>A wolf pronounced the verdict, to which he clung,<BR/>Convinced they had found the animal they must kill—<BR/>The battered rapscallion who had made the world ill.<BR/>He deserved to be hung as an example.<BR/>Eat another's grass! What could be more horrible.<BR/> Death, only death was suitable<BR/>For the criminal—inflicted at once by spite.<BR/>And so, as you are weak or are invincible,<BR/>The court says white is black or that black crimes are white.northangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02124226438327229521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-50024099799069024862007-07-31T22:15:00.000+02:002007-07-31T22:15:00.000+02:00North! you clever woman you! caught me in my own t...North! you clever woman you! caught me in my own traps and tricks, like the wolf in shepherd's clothing that I am. Drat - foiled again. Hey, but I have gotten better over the years, haven't I? I don't quote from French or German without translating. I made it a hard and fast rule. I .... I ... your honor, I were drinkin' at the time, and throw myself on the Merci of the court...Roger Gathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11257400843748041639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-38927882100252368002007-07-31T20:17:00.000+02:002007-07-31T20:17:00.000+02:00no, i'm reading a Mr. LI.AQ 2250 = TOUJOURS PAR QU...no, i'm reading a Mr. LI.<BR/><BR/>AQ 2250 = <A HREF="http://limitedinc.blogspot.com/2001/09/dope_09.html" REL="nofollow">TOUJOURS PAR QUELQUE ENDROIT FOURBES SE LAISSENT PRENDRE. QUICONQUE EST LOUP AGISSE EN LOUP: C'EST LE PLUS CERTAIN DE BEAUCOUP</A> = FIND IT AMAZING, CONSIDERING MAJORITY RULE THE FUNDAMENTAL CORNERSTONE OF DEMOCRACY, A MINORITY "SLITHER" CAN CAUSE SO MUCH TROUBLE = YOUR BUSINESS IN COLLECTING FACTS WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT, AND THE SUFFERINGS OF THIS PEOPLE CANNOT BE DESCRIBED WITH PEN, INK AND PAPER (<EM>Abigail Adams to John Adams, 05-Nov-1775</EM>).northangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02124226438327229521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-36566209449634033542007-07-31T19:13:00.000+02:002007-07-31T19:13:00.000+02:00North, you are reading La Fontaine this summer? Ho...North, you are reading La Fontaine this summer? How cool!<BR/><BR/>I tried to see if the Marianne Moore translation is to be found somewhere in googlespace. Alas, couldn't find the divine Ms. MM's translations. Myself, I'd translate it<BR/><BR/>The crook always leaves a tell<BR/>the wolf acts the wolf<BR/>that's the most certain of all.<BR/><BR/>Walter Thornbury translates it as:<BR/>There's always some mistake a rascal makes<BR/>The Wolf like Wolf must always act<BR/>That is a very certain fact.<BR/><BR/>Rascal is definitely a mistake, if you ask me. It waters down the quality of the fourbe, makes it jokey and all pantomime. But of course he gets the rhymes right, and I don't.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, Norman Schapiro, in his translation, just gives it up entirely. What a bungler! Here's his ending: <BR/>Wherefore beware! Frauds hear my caveat/<BR/>let wolf be wolf; that's what he's ablest at! <BR/><BR/>Three lines being sucked into two is bad. And the hortatory tone comes entirely from Shapiro, who is relying here on a typically english children's book motif: the parent/teacher's turn to the reader with an exhortation that so often caps children's poems. But that didactic moment is far off from the cold, peasant stance in La Fontaine's lines. There's no ruler rapping there. La Fontaine's world doesn't have the patience for that anglosphere drivel that has resulted in our astonishing highway exit iconography of animals positively begging us to eat them - cute little pigs and chicken regarding their guts as presents for the gnashing human tooth and the acidic human stomach. In L's world, by contrast, eating and being eaten are not sentimentalized.Roger Gathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11257400843748041639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-53667685681474712762007-07-31T14:27:00.000+02:002007-07-31T14:27:00.000+02:00Roger, translation please:Toujours par quelque end...Roger, translation please:<BR/><BR/>Toujours par quelque endroit fourbes se laissent prendre<BR/>Quiconque est loup agisse en loup:<BR/>C'est le plus certain de beaucoupnorthangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02124226438327229521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-91767544639719663752007-07-31T00:21:00.000+02:002007-07-31T00:21:00.000+02:00Well, numbertripled, I'm glad I quoted them. They ...Well, numbertripled, I'm glad I quoted them. They are beautifully apropos, if I do say so myself.Roger Gathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11257400843748041639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-28696509762527165852007-07-30T20:24:00.000+02:002007-07-30T20:24:00.000+02:00I have been looking for the source for those lines...I have been looking for the source for those lines FOREVER.<BR/><BR/>Hurrah!###https://www.blogger.com/profile/04456754255203969483noreply@blogger.com