tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post116771369415328415..comments2024-03-28T08:37:58.136+01:00Comments on Limited, Inc.: demo letdownRoger Gathmannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11257400843748041639noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-1167891511073072892007-01-04T07:18:00.000+01:002007-01-04T07:18:00.000+01:00Roger, I think T.V. would agree that it's possible...Roger, I think T.V. would agree that it's possible to both admire and still say: this isn't working. If you'll forgive a maudlin digression, I had a painful enlightenment years ago when I learned the difference between, "you have it that way" and "you don't have it that way". People who have it that way have the room to offer criticism. Their good faith is evident and they've paid some dues -- which is why what <B>you</B> have to say is easy to accept. You've got it that way. And as long as I'm taking interpretive liberties, I'll add that I think T.V.'s critique is aimed at the people who offer criticism in a social context that has effectively immunized them, which they've done nothing to earn. They don't have it that way, but they can enforce it nevertheless. Some do it for sport or career training, as with the academics counting coup. It's the sorriest part of the spectacle. Jon Husband introduced me to apt term, "grin fucking". It's playing a high rent trolling game, with a big vocabulary and salary, and getting thrills from making people to seethe as they're pushed down a few pegs. There's no qualitative difference between that and the smirking satisfaction of wingnuts who have successfully goaded their victims into a disgraceful display.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, this -- "If accosted by a newsperson, the proper thing to do is to answer all questions with either silence or a dog howl. The goal: MAKE BAD TV. This is important. The fatuousness of the Q and A format should be rammed down the camera’s throat. Between the ADD audience and our little fathers in DC, the expectation is that everything will boil down to a few questions and answers, a little point counterpoint. Well, no. The time for point/counterpoint is long past. The point has been made. It has even spread, if polls and elections are telling the truth. But it doesn’t matter. Rules for demonstrators: Communication is a Waste of Time. Demonstrate, if you are a Demonstrator. " -- is exactly right. The media in general, and television most of all, performs an homogenizing, pablumizing function. For the most part, the people who massage the "content" into a consumable format are incurable bootlickers, on the look-out for something to degrade. I don't see how any demonstration or street theatre can accomplish anything if that's not taken into account.Arkadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838423612315386095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-1167841431096080852007-01-03T17:23:00.000+01:002007-01-03T17:23:00.000+01:00TV, such an excellent response!I only have two thi...TV, such an excellent response!<BR/><BR/>I only have two things to say. <BR/><BR/>One is that it is entirely admirable that these people are out on the bridge, protesting against the war - and are committed, like your Quaker friend, heart and soul to fighting the war culture. But I can admire and still say: this isn't working. And the reason I think it isn't working is - well, as I have said in my post and responses. And anybody in the zen center you mentioned would recognize that the situation requires a very practical response. Hence my little choreographic suggestion.<BR/><BR/>The second is - the way I look at it, one has to be guided by keeping your eyes open when thinking about organizing against the war culture. That means not just falling back on the same old demo form that once worked in the sixties. That form, itself, was new - it took from the form of the union strike, but it returned to pre-50s union ideas, like the sit in, etc. My doghowler idea really steals from Robert Wilson's theater - Wilson looks to the autistic, stutterers, the wounded, etc., to understand theatrical movement. Myself, I think we can learn from grackles and dogs as well. But the main thing, even given a more conventional demo format, is that one has to tear oneself away from the idea that the demo is successful if it got on local tv. <BR/><BR/>I think the Quakers should look back at their own primitive history to understand this. The keeping on of the hat in court - the plain address - these were attempts to short circuit a poisoned decorum. There's a story about the founder of the quakers, George Fox, entering a town with his shoes plucked off, because he had a vision that the town was full of blood. The second generation of quakers tamed the wildness of the beginning.Roger Gathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11257400843748041639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-1167772715459403632007-01-02T22:18:00.000+01:002007-01-02T22:18:00.000+01:00Mr. TV, hey, I’m not expecting Billy Graham! Just ...Mr. TV, hey, I’m not expecting Billy Graham! Just a little leavening of blue suits. <BR/>On the other hand – I was thinking of my reply to IT and I realized: I lied! I will pretend to be a choreographer. I will suggest what I would have done to commemorate the 3,000th death, instead of what I saw done last night. And my suggestions isn’t, really, going to make the bluesuited happy at first, perhaps.<BR/><BR/>Here is what I would have done.<BR/>a. Instead of gathering the protest at an out of the way bridge, hold it – as it is usually held in Austin – at Republic park, 5 p.m., and march on the capital. Given the handful of people, even a march that is, strictly, without a permit isn’t really going to get more than hassled by the cops. <BR/>b. Stock up on black sacks, with eyeholds and mouthholes cut out. Keep the white crosses, and anybody who has a sign, bring a sign. Everybody puts a black sack over their head.<BR/>c. Instructions are – this is the important part: No human sounds. Rather, everybody who puts on the black sack should howl like a dog. Don’t strain your voice, but no chanting – be silent, or howl like a dog. <BR/>d. No cooperating with the media. The organizers of all too many demonstrations are still measuring success by whether they got on the local news. Getting on the local news means the newscasters interview a few demonstrators for the great ADD audience out there explaining “how the war has touched them personally” (actual question last night: how has the war touched you personally?) If accosted by a newsperson, the proper thing to do is to answer all questions with either silence or a dog howl. The goal: MAKE BAD TV. This is important. The fatuousness of the Q and A format should be rammed down the camera’s throat. Between the ADD audience and our little fathers in DC, the expectation is that everything will boil down to a few questions and answers, a little point counterpoint. Well, no. The time for point/counterpoint is long past. The point has been made. It has even spread, if polls and elections are telling the truth. But it doesn’t matter. Rules for demonstrators: Communication is a Waste of Time. Demonstrate, if you are a Demonstrator. <BR/>e. And make your own tv. This is fuckin’ YouTube time. A film of black hooded dog howlers on YouTube marching around the Texas capital, carrying white crosses and antiwar signs, is what you need. <BR/>f. March around the capital a few times, howling. Then disperse. Then consider other targets for other demonstrations. And, to add variety, consider ululation, or tourette’s syndrome swearing (ffffffffff fuck! sssssssss shit!).<BR/>g. Remember – treated as dogs, we respond as dogs. <BR/><BR/>So okay, this might be crap, and you have to find the black sacks. But the main points are to refuse to communicate in any way the press can handle, and to make something that other people actually want to join. Now, it is true that people all over the world join Sunday school classes and sing this little light of mine – many millions more than don black hoods and howl like dogs. But nobody would do the this little light of mine routine if a third party – the church cum family – wasn’t behind it. Also, I could see that it might require some rehearsing to get down the total howling like dogs in black hoods gestalt – but you know, the krewes in NOLA rehearse before they do their parades. A little rehearsal might be necessary.Roger Gathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11257400843748041639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-1167761744557244872007-01-02T19:15:00.000+01:002007-01-02T19:15:00.000+01:00IT - ah, I do sense the Goth temperament in your s...IT - ah, I do sense the Goth temperament in your suggestion, here...<BR/><BR/>But I agree in this case that near silence, a funereal demo, would have been appropriate. The problem, to my mind, is not to find one template for demonstrations, but to figure out how to use them. Anti-war demonstrations, at the moment, are ignored with a perfect impunity by the powers that be that Czar Nicholas II would have been astonished at. Unfortunately, most demonstrations are geared toward addressing "our little father" in Downing Street or the White House, even if we are saying, up yours. But this is futile. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps it would be better to, a., drop the pretense that the demonstration represents the "people." The people are locked in the suspended animation of the everyday. And, b., try to raid that suspended animation. Try to orient the demo to rousing the people rather than sending a message.<BR/><BR/>What that means, I don't know. I'm not a choreographer - I don't even play one on my blog! But I'm enough of an artist to see a flop when it hits me in the face. The demo I went to last night was almost a predesigned flop - the space was obviously chosen to conform to Austin law, and not disturb the streets, but that condition pretty much invalidated having it in the first place, since it resulted in amassing people on a cold night in an out of the way part of the center of Austin. And ... and this is a sad thing about the virtuous ... the demonstrators, having put in their time on these things, take a sort of proprietary interest in the demo. There's a self-selection process going on that excludes others, and creates that atmosphere of being at a church campfire. I think an organizer might reply, who the fuck are you to tell us how to do this stuff? And in one sense, yes, I do admire the people who put in their time and effort to at least organize something. But on the other hand - it isn't working, and it isn't working so badly that it conveys a message of total impotence.Roger Gathmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11257400843748041639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3077210.post-1167739716800538422007-01-02T13:08:00.000+01:002007-01-02T13:08:00.000+01:00I have long believed that political demonstrations...I have long believed that political demonstrations - particularly anti-war protests - should be conducted in near-silence, as a sombre reflection of the deaths of those we kill and those we send to be killed. <BR/><BR/>Protests should <I>shame</I> with their seriousness those who created the need for them - the idea that bright colours, samba music and bouncing up and down (or hippy pieties) are going to really sock it to the 'suits' is misjudged. It is the administration who are 'casual' and glib <I>as an integral part</I> of their war-mongering.ithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10565403340913552852noreply@blogger.com